I disagree with this as ChaosDAO is the true embodiment of bottom-up. It was started from community people alone, some of whom then went on to work in the ecosystem and who are now helping effect change across different aspects of the DAO’s. In fact, it can’t get any more grass roots than ChaosDAO.
A lot of our members wear a colored ring on their PFP that represents their status in ChaosDAO. It’s not some huge secret if people were to pay attention. Other members include that they’re a member in their social media profile. Additionally, we are accessible and present on all platforms (literally), consider us omnipresent and always listening.
This is not something only a new member believes. I and other DAOists have spoken like this for years and that belief was an impetus for developing and supporting the GovBot.
Just for the sake of transparency, I am being contacted outside of this forum by other projects, to tell me that they support my views on this post.
As you can also see, negative feedback on this post is being shared using accounts that were just created, for the purpose.
Keeping your thoughts to yourself because of fear of retaliation is as toxic as an atmosphere can get.
It wont help attract talent, and it wont help ideas flow in our ecosystem.
I personally believe that ChaosDAO is professional in their voting.
Others seem to have a different view. why do you think that is?
I don’t think I have seen any comments from new projects either. Which I think is the most interesting voice.
And for the record ChaosDAO has never crashed a proposal of ours, or have I any animosity towards the DAO or @Leemo, who I have watched in AAG for years.
As said, I also see a lot of positives in Chaos and other DAOs. I just have a genuine concern about toxicity in our ecosystem.
From my point of view, building on Polkadot isn’t exactly easy. On Ethereum, for example, I can find thousands of tutorials on YouTube, and without being a developer, I could easily launch a smart contract.
So, if we add the following factors:
Building on Polkadot isn’t easy.
There’s a lot of information, but it’s scattered across different places.
OpenGov is an additional challenge.
On top of that, there are groups that, instead of fostering collaboration, treat others as if they were scammers. How do you plan to attract new people to the ecosystem that way?
I understand that every community has its own culture, but if the goal is to attract new developers and people skilled in various areas, I wonder if some of the most influential groups within Polkadot’s DAO shouldn’t pay more attention to how their actions are affecting the ecosystem. I’m not saying they should approve every proposal, but they could be more open to dialogue. Instead of outright rejecting an idea, it would be helpful if they explained why they don’t view Polkadot’s treasury as a venture capital fund, or proposed negotiations where everyone benefits.
From my perspective, these types of actions and malicious comments on social media only push people away. Instead of attracting more talent, people leave, and that’s not what we want. I’m an avid reader, and I see so many good ideas on the forum that get ignored simply because they didn’t come from the “right” people. Sometimes I wonder: is the goal to help Polkadot move forward, or to hold it back?
Being objective and not aligned with any particular group, I can say that this image is sending the wrong message and could be driving away the very people Polkadot needs to grow.
I would like to point out how mistaken this perception is. Smart contracts are a very special type of program. Typically, they provide a secure and deterministic execution environment within the context of a cryptoeconomically-secure state machine that maintains a Byzantine fault-tolerant global state. They also program economic value. It’s a model for verifying state and transferring value, which requires a lot of understanding—hence, why audits are critical. So, it’s not the same as using a website builder; it’s more like programming a banking system.
Tl;Dr: While you can deploy some sort of program on a blockchain without knowing what you’re doing, it’s a very bad idea. Not a single successful protocol built with smart contracts has been developed this way for obvious reasons.
Everyone laughed about the ecosystem, because the treasury report showed that we paid for everything. We paid for ads on planes and whatever. The pure assumption that too much stuff is nayed is just not correct, it is more the opposite that too much stuff is ayed. ChaosDao is controlling 0.006% of the supply as voting power. If people are thinking that they are naying all the proposals, this is just entirely wrong.
If someone is creating a proposal and it is not that convincing that you can over-vote 0.006%, your proposal may needs improving. All this ChaosDao is not listening etc is just totally missing the point. Even if they don’t listen and just naying, there are so many more people that could vote on your proposal.
I’m also soo far away from being a business expert, but seeing the treasury as a venture capital that should just fund everything will make the treasury being drained so fast. If you look into a real venture capital fund, they are probably rejecting way more than the treasury.
We need better treasury management, better proposals, better bounties, better bounty management etc. We don’t need complains that a small DAO is destroying everything while other individual people are controlling the treasury on their own.
I’m not sure if this is directed at ChaosDAO but I am assuming so since this whole thread is about us. Facts are, blockchains are largely adversarial and thus there are a lot of scammers. You can’t expect people to be trusting when a core tenant of this ecosystem is, “less trust, more truth”. People come to the Treasury with entirely unrealistic propositions as unknown entities requesting hundred of thousands to millions of dollars. The bar should be very high and yes, there are many people simply looking to extract value.
Also, Ethereum doesn’t have OpenGov. The closest they have are gitcoin grants and there is tons of drama around that, you may just not be aware of it. Or look at Optimism’s RPGF which also has had a bunch of drama. Same thing in Cosmos and Cardano with their governance mechanisms. This is just the nature of the beast. If someone is too thin skinned for this sort of PvP, then so be it. There is not much we can do about it.
I have to echo @bkchr up above and add – Don’t ask why ChaosDAO nays, ask why no one else ayes.
Good ideas are easy, implementing them is the hard part. For example, I have an idea for time travel, making that a reality is another thing. I see this a lot in web3, someone has an Earth-shattering idea and only needs a technical person to implement it. If the ideas were so good and feasible to implement, then they would get championed and elevated.
I see that you’re responding from a reactive standpoint. It’s a thread about ChaosDAO, but my opinion is based more on comments made by individuals on their personal accounts, and I’m referring to the general perception this can create. But no worries, I’m not one to engage in discussions. If you say that’s how it is, then so be it. Have a nice day.
Which comments by which individuals? It’s not reasonable to discuss things that aren’t even identified–like, I have no idea what you’re referring to at all. I don’t mean this as an attack but as a genuine attempt to figure out what you’re trying to say.
One of the most toxic and concerning aspects of ChaosDAO is the complete absence of constructive dialogue, like evidenced by this tread. When community members voice concerns about toxicity or raise valid points like @lilymendzdev, the responses typically follow three patterns:
“Show me the EXACT line and EXACT post where we were toxic” - and when provided, it’s dismissed with “That’s not what you meant/that’s not true.”
“I have NO idea what you’re talking about because it’s not identified/specific enough” (like @mister_cole 's brilliant response)
“I’m right, you’re wrong, and my position gives me authority to say so. I reject your point, NAY your proposal, without explanation - who cares what you think. Deal with it.”
It’s demoralizing to engage in these confrontations, and many dare to speak up publicly for fear of retaliation. There are valid and legitimate projects that have faced harsh criticism from ChaosDAO (well visible in their chat channels) and been labeled as scammers, and people harshly criticized just for having different point of view (like TheDefiGuy)
The focus seems to be exclusively on Nova Wallet and Hydra, which belongs to the co-founders of ChaosDAO, with no room for anything else. Unfortunately, over 10 million has been spent on these two projects alone, which ChaosDAO is obsessively promoting. This frustrates many members, as Nova is merely a Wallet solution, and Hydra is widely seen as a failed project that needs constant Treasury intervention to survive.
